EvolutionFM Transcript: Christian Sundberg - Pre-Birth Memory, Life Plans, And The Nature of Reality

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Christian Sundberg is a former project manager who experienced a profound awakening that radically altered the course of his life. Through deep meditation and spontaneous out-of-body experiences, Christian began to recall vivid memories of his existence before birth—an awareness that unveiled the multidimensional nature of our reality and the deeper truths of the soul’s journey.

In this episode, we explore how each incarnation is an intentional opportunity for growth, chosen with the guidance of loving beings. Christian shares how fear is not a fundamental force but a misperception and how facing it with love and acceptance unlocks profound expansion. We dive into the nature of the veil, the role of guides, the power of intention, and why even a single act of genuine love can illuminate an entire lifetime.

But just when you think the conversation has touched its highest note, Christian reveals what it truly means to remember who you are.

Transcripts may contain a few typos. With many episodes lasting 1+ hour, it can be difficult to catch minor errors. Enjoy!

Scott Britton (00:00.969)

Christian, it's wonderful to see you.

Christian Sundberg (00:03.088)

It's wonderful to see you too, Scott. Thank you.

Scott Britton (00:06.665)

Well, I think maybe to frame this up, mean, when did your, what was the big inflection point in your consciousness journey?

Christian Sundberg (00:17.902)

man, the big inflection point, would be hard to point to just one. So my body is 45 years old right now. It was about 15 years ago. I went through a personal awakening journey, started with meditation. And after a few months, I had my first non-physical experience. It was very, very eye-opening and jarring and it continued to unfold from there. And I began to have pre-birth memory return. And when it did, that was definitely quite eye-opening.

paradigm altering you could say and like we talked about before recording, know, we're both working professionals. I was a working professional at the time and I didn't share it at first because it's the kind of thing you just don't talk about in that world. But surely my life changed. I mean my experience of reality was so altered by this experience, both the out of body experiences and also the pre-birth awareness and my general state of awareness overall. It was just so different than what it had been before my awakening.

Scott Britton (01:17.888)

what were the main things that were revealed to you in that pre-birth memory?

Christian Sundberg (01:24.15)

Yeah, would you like me to share the memory?

Scott Britton (01:26.441)

Sure, that would be wonderful.

Christian Sundberg (01:28.15)

Okay, so this is really hard to talk about. So I just have to disclaim this because language just can't possibly do this justice. You know, here on Earth, we like to think we can fit everything into our local form set. We have a very limited language, but our true nature and the higher realms from which we come, they so fully transcend our local limitations that

No language can possibly do it justice. So I just, I really have to say that first because anytime we put words on this, it's just like immediately wrong. You know what I mean? So with that disclaimer being said, so just interrupt me if you have any questions, I'll try to be succinct about sharing this experience. And I know how this sounds like, you know, I'm kind of a down to earth kind of guy. I know how this sounds on the surface. So, you know, please interrupt me.

Scott Britton (02:21.695)

We're here for it. I said, we're here for it.

Christian Sundberg (02:23.448)

What was that? Okay, great. So, okay. So like I said, my body is 45 years old now. When I was 30, I took up a long-term meditation practice and began to have OBEs. And I also began to have this pre-birth memory return. And it, as it returned, I became aware primarily of a time period somewhat immediately preceding this life or I had chosen this life and why I remember reviewing this life in great detail.

But I also remember a time and time is different on the other side. Okay. So I can't put this in a succinct way, but I remember long, long, long ago before I had ever even been physical coming across a being who had been physical. And in those higher realms, we feel our connectedness with each other. Our nature is shared. feel that we know it. And I could feel from this being this incredible love and wisdom and power. He was just so.

rich and vibrant and alive. And I was like, my goodness, like, what did you do to become this? Like, I just, I had to ask him, it was telepathic. It's not language. It's we share each, we share with each other telepathically. And he shared with me many things, but chief among them was that he had lived a physical lifetime. And in that physical lifetime, he suffered a long-term health condition of some kind. had a pain in his physical body.

And the way that he chose to meet that pain allowed a refinement of his nature, his essence. was like a deepening of his being. And I was like, so inspired. It's like, I want to do that. I want to do that. I'm going to do that. Like I was just like, my gosh, that's so amazing. I want to do that. And at first this isn't negative, but it was something like, yeah, that's what they all say. Like, you just don't know how hard it is. You don't know what you're asking for kind of thing. And I said, no, I mean it. I want to do this. And he said, well, go talk to your guides.

Scott Britton (04:08.361)

Right.

Christian Sundberg (04:15.126)

So I don't have right after that, but I know that I lived a number of times and ended up finding this being again later and sharing with him, seeing I'm on the walk, like I'm doing this, I'm doing this thing. And he was encouraging. okay. So, but most of my pre-birth memory is of a time somewhat immediately preceding this life and the one just before it. So just before the previous life, I remember taking a long break between physical lives. And I remember this guide coming to me.

Repeatedly every once in a while over and over asking are you ready to go back yet? Are you ready to go back yet? And just putting them off and be like no, I'm not ready yet I'm not ready yet just like taking a long weekend or something or a long vacation and just being like no I don't want to go I don't want to go back to the office or something like that, you know and eventually saying okay, I'm ready and Then reviewing with this guide what I can only describe as my state so like

Scott Britton (04:54.961)

Yeah, totally.

Christian Sundberg (05:07.854)

who I was, what I had known, what I had been, what I understood, not just intellectually, but like at the being level, you know, like as a being, what did I know? You could, you could maybe think of it like virtues or something like, you know, it's a little bit crude way to put it, but it was like reviewing qualities of experience or qualities of being that I knew and understood and had as a being. And it was really obvious the one thing that I needed to quote work on.

Now don't like the words work on because there's nothing we have to do. Actually, as spiritual beings were completely free, there's no requirement put on us whatsoever. So I just have to lift that up.

Scott Britton (05:46.141)

Which is a radical idea, right? Because most people in our world of form and society believe that that's what being spiritual is all about is needing to do stuff.

Christian Sundberg (05:57.73)

Yeah, there's definitely a deep calling in knowing one's spiritual nature as to what that means. The implications of our loving nature are deep. They call us to action and they call us to actualizing love. But meanwhile, the nature of consciousness itself has no requirement placed on it. It doesn't have a need. It exists unto itself. So yeah, I think that's important to lift up because like we

Even just the feeling of like, I have to do something. Well, that doesn't really feel very good. And part of the reason it doesn't is because it's not in alignment with the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth is complete freedom. There's, there's nothing that you have to do. So I could see that I knew that, but I also could review in my pre birth plan at pre birth review that, my gosh, there was this one thing that would be best for me to, to tackle, so to speak, to work on.

And the best way to describe it would be a fear. was one specific fear that was very, very low vibration. that fear, because fear actually is something that arises from a negative self-perception that is not in alignment with the truth. So you could say that fear has like a name, you could describe it as a negative self-perception, ultimately at the bottom, at the root. And so there was this one fear that had bested me in a previous life.

And the nature of that fear was the perception of I am powerless to escape pain. I am powerless to escape agony mixed with a little bit of like, I'm too proud to suffer. will reject this very certain specific fear. And I saw that and I knew that, my gosh, if I could meet and integrate that, that would be amazing. Like it would, it would enable such a profound growth and expansion, not just for me, but for the whole.

Okay, so it was like, would be doing a profound service for all that is, if I could meet this personal fear and come to terms with it and really heal it and really integrate it. And so I knew it was like ridiculously low vibration. And I asked, can it even be done? Like, this is so low vibration. Has any of our being ever processed something this dark and this deep in this specific way? And I was shown yes.

Christian Sundberg (08:19.712)

And you have all of time available to you to do so. There's no hurry. And I just knew from that point of view, it's difficult as the human sometimes to think this or know this, but from that point of view, I just knew, well, if it can be done, I will do it. Like I'll do it. So they brought me a life that was appropriate for that intention. wasn't this life. It was the one just before. And I remember reviewing that life in incredible detail, like reviewing the entirety of the life in seconds. Yeah.

Scott Britton (08:45.865)

Can I interject? Who is they?

Christian Sundberg (08:49.174)

They? Yeah, the guides. Sorry, yes. So I was working primarily with a guide that is, that knew me very well personally, but there are, there's a, I don't know how to describe this, but there's a group of guides or beings who are very wise at collectively, or you could say as a small team perhaps, reviewing what we might call the database of available lives. I don't know how to describe it. And in their wisdom,

Scott Britton (08:49.969)

Yeah, when you said they brought me a life, who is they?

Christian Sundberg (09:16.28)

they can match you and your intention with a life packet that is an optimal match for that intention for you. So it's kind of like reviewing a big database, but doing it with quality and with wisdom. And then they brought me a lifetime that they felt was appropriate for my intention.

Scott Britton (09:36.703)

And these guides are these beings who have kind of done what you're what you were doing like much, much earlier or much longer ago. Like how do these people become a guide?

Christian Sundberg (09:47.674)

Yeah Yeah, well like I think there are different kinds of guides There are those who have had much physical experience and those that may not have had much physical experience Certainly though all guides are very evolved in some way or ways and I can't say definitively that these guides who brought me this lifetime whether they had a lot of physical experience or not But I strongly suspect they did have a lot of physical experience. I don't know that for certain

Scott Britton (10:15.231)

Hmm. Okay.

Christian Sundberg (10:16.301)

Yeah, but I know there are guides who do have a lot of physical experience and there are those who may not because there's other types of experience out in the multiverse beyond the physical universe. There's other types of experience that deepen one's being and it's not necessarily the case that a guide has to have physically incarnated to be effective for something specific. But on the other hand, the earth experience is so specific in its unique quality of separation.

The lowness of the vibration of the Earth experience is so low that I suspect, I don't know this for sure, but I suspect that the majority of guides have had a lot of Earth experience, or at least physical experience.

Scott Britton (10:56.241)

And you know, this is an interesting distinction as well of picking an available life versus designing your life. 

Christian Sundberg (11:06.67)

So there's both elements. Yeah, there's both elements involved. So I can speak to that more specifically in relation to this current life I'm living now. So I can actually speak to that in just a moment. I guess I'll continue with sharing the experience and then that but to speak to your question. Yeah, I definitely could speak to that about for this life. So in that previous life, I reviewed the life and I accepted it. And then I remember accepting the veil.

Scott Britton (11:24.627)

Sure, yeah, continue.

Christian Sundberg (11:36.92)

for that life, which is just a word that means the limitations in consciousness that we wear in order to have the deeply engaged physical experience. So primarily, it means a forgetting. You know, we forget everything else that we are. And it also means a cessation. It seems like a cessation. It's actually not a true cessation, but an apparent cessation of our

active connectedness with all things. So we don't feel connected to everything else. While we're physically incarnated, you know, we've at least in this universe, we feel separate and we don't remember the rest. And so now we're just this like separated, like, you know, ball of thought form and experience that seems segregated and, doesn't have a full access to its history. And that's a very unique state of consciousness. So I remember, yeah. Yeah.

Scott Britton (12:28.573)

And can I ask you a question on the veil thing? So I think some people make an association with like how thin or thick the veil is as being correlated to your level of development as a soul, right? So like you're further along, you have a greater awareness of things in your true nature. And is that true? Or is it more like more aligned to how you set things up beforehand?

Christian Sundberg (12:54.252)

Yeah, it's more aligned to how you set things up beforehand, even as there tends to be a general correlation between spiritual evolution and awareness. Because as we grow, even if there is a veil of some density, because each veil is organic and unique, actually, even if there's a veil of some density, an evolved being tends to still feel more readily his or her higher nature beyond that, that limitation set.

So, but on the other hand, so like I said, it is that it's up to the life context because a very powerful evolved being absolutely may sign up for a life with a very rigorous veiled condition, even incredible challenges that vibrationally then lower the vein because it's the negative self perceptions and the fears that we buy into that really vibrationally end up separating us, right? The veil is just an obscure. It doesn't actually separate us. It's just a

It just blocks view vibrationally. What gets us kind of quote unquote stuck here is all the negative thought form and feeling that we end up associating with. see, so a very evolved being may incarnate into a life in which there are incredible limitations, incredible pains. In fact, more evolved beings tend to sign up for the harder lives because they're able to. And from that density, it, our true nature may be even more obscured. So hopefully that speaks to your.

Scott Britton (13:54.367)

Mm.

Scott Britton (14:21.907)

makes total sense.

Christian Sundberg (14:25.962)

Excellent. So, so I remember accepting the veil for that life. And it was like a plummet in the vibration of my being. So the body of my awareness, it felt like it was connected to all things and full of bliss and knowing. And then it was like, I like to just describe it in a very simple metaphor, but like an amplifier that produces a sound pitch, like, and then you turn down a knob and then the vibration goes down and then it felt like when it got to the bottom,

You just keep turning it down. goes down more, more, more, more lower, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower. That was how it felt in the vibration of my being to accept the veil and to come down into the physical experience. was a ridiculously jarring drop, maybe like jumping out of an airplane or something. And it just like you never land or something. And I remember then being in the womb in the body in that previous life. And I was only there a very short time.

And I said, I am not doing this. There is no, there is no way. Like it was so dark. I mean, it's funny. It's funny to think about now, but at the time it wasn't funny. It was, I had a lot of fear actually, even just in the womb, just being bodily. was like, I'm not doing this. I'm separated from everything. I lost all that I am. I'm not doing this for a lifetime. Screw this. So I summoned my might because I knew I was a powerful spiritual being and I smoked the veil. I punched my way back out.

Scott Britton (15:26.143)

I'm out.

Christian Sundberg (15:51.276)

And I saw that I was successful in doing that because I had a life review. I saw that I killed the fetus that was to be in my body. And it caused a miscarriage for the mother. And I, in my life review, I could see how my fear that early in the life had heaped grief upon the shoulders of the mother because she had a miscarriage and how that grief affected hundreds of other people in the game negatively. It was

It was like a profound ripple in the pond, even though like I had great intentions going in, you know, just making this decision even that early on it, it had a significant effect. So like from that point of view, you can see it's okay. Like there's nothing actually wrong. Like you can't actually fail. But on the other hand, I could just see very objectively like, man, I got a lot of fear. I got to do something about this. This is like, Whoa, I, you know, I can't believe I had that effect, you know,

Scott Britton (16:47.208)

And that perception of, have a lot of fear, that's in this liminal space outside of the time space continuum.

Christian Sundberg (16:54.786)

Yes, but it so when I say I have a lot of fear, it's more like a better way to say it would be I have a lot of yet unevolveness. It's not like fear is a fundamental force. It's just I wasn't evolved enough yet to engage that limitation set without rejection. You see.

Scott Britton (17:12.255)

Hmm, it reminds me one of the first things that my teacher told me was like, you're here to accept reality as it is. And I'm like, okay, that sounds hard.

Christian Sundberg (17:20.98)

That's exactly right. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Scott Britton (17:31.071)

And it brings up a question that I have, right? Because in this kind of perfection of beingness that our soul can experience, like we come out of an incarnation, and then do we continue to feel those remnants? Are we just aware of them? Like how does the impact? How does an impact of a difficult incarnation or of one that contains a lot of fear, like you just described, just

Christian Sundberg (17:51.382)

What what remnants?

Scott Britton (18:00.283)

affect us affect us in this other state, where we're kind of our timeless essence.

Christian Sundberg (18:03.714)

Yeah, this, yeah the simple way to put that is you are who you are.

So just because a physical life has ended doesn't mean you're not you. So if you have a lot of fear and now you see it and you actualized it in fact, that's who you are. So it's not a judgment. It's just, wow, I see that's who I am. And so that may guide you into future experiences and there may be, we use the word karma.

There may be karmic implications. It just means who you are, if you actualize this certain thing, when you affect others, you're actually affecting ultimately yourself because we're all a part of the one. So you can see, like you, so we retain our individuation. It's not when I say we're all part of the one, it doesn't mean that you're not you. No, you are a precious individuated you. The you that feels like you to you will remain. It's very precious and powerful and important. But that...

individuated you is also connected to all the other individuated yous and it's all a part of one great I. So that that one big thing is all you. So in other words the other people are you and so if you affected others in a certain way you're actually did that to yourself ultimately. And so you can see that from that point of view like man I as my own soul I have certain I wow I have

I am of this certain way and there's an energetic cause and effect that follows us through because of who we are and that may lead us into future experiences, whether in a physical life or in a non-physical experience.

Scott Britton (19:44.475)

It's one of the reasons why I always think about like, you know, I live in startup land or I have a lot of my career and people talk about like long term thinking and playing the long game. I'm like, dude, playing the long game isn't like building a 20 year company. It's working on your consciousness. Like that bad boy is you're carrying that luggage around wherever you go.

Christian Sundberg (20:01.528)

That's right, you got it, absolutely.

Christian Sundberg (20:07.63)

Absolutely. The consciousness is carrying its luggage wherever it goes. Yes. Yeah, that's absolutely true. I think of it in a similar way that I'm very interested in the long game because that's ultimately how we make true change. You know, we tend to be really focused on change in the short term sense and in business. We love metrics, measure something for the month, for the quarter, for the year. That's what matters, man. Show me the numbers. Show me the PowerPoint presentation. But the thing is, ultimately all the systems of man.

All the companies, all the governments, all the laws that will all naturally change as we actually change the being changes and that being level change. can happen a lot in one lifetime, but it doesn't necessarily. And it's something that if we just work on ourselves where we are now work on accepting the reality that has risen now, like you said, work on our lives now and really actually meet our own crap and grow. We are contributing to the true solution, which is ultimately the evolution of consciousness towards love.

Scott Britton (20:43.903)

That's right.

Christian Sundberg (21:06.9)

As consciousness moves towards love and past fear, and fear means all the ego shenanigans and there's a ton of them, right? As we move past all of that, that is the true solution for the great many problems of earth. And we can each participate and do that every day. And that is the true long game. That is the real win. The real win is when love is actualized here. Yeah.

Scott Britton (21:30.771)

I couldn't agree more my friend. And one of the things that I've heard you talk about is how this is essentially a almost like a game or an arena that is designed for us to come back to that.

Christian Sundberg (21:44.504)

to come back to what? Yes.

Scott Britton (21:45.747)

come back to love. Can you talk about that and how that works?

Christian Sundberg (21:50.69)

Yes, so love is our true nature. So what this big simulation ultimately is a limitation set, a very highly defined context, like the matrix or a dream world or a virtual reality is very real. It's a real experience. I'm not saying that we're not having a real experience. It's a real experience for sure. But the form itself is not fundamentally real. And what it does is it provides a context, a contrast through which

We can ultimately know ourselves and actually experience ourselves in a new, very well-defined, very efficient way. And the thing about our experience is it's very dense. It's very highly limiting being a biological being on earth, like a human. is a very, very constraining, tight, limited, dense type of experience. And so in other words, the contrast is high.

And so what I mean is it's like lifting weights on a weight bench or something. Like if you lift heavy weight, you can grow stronger much more quickly. If you can engage as consciousness, a more limiting, limited condition set and from there choose love rather than fear, see under the pressure, then there's a huge leveraging that takes place because now you are choosing love and overcoming fear even under this great weight of the density, you see.

And that is a precious gift. It's not just like a punishment or something we have to do. No, no, no. It is a profoundly efficient and powerful gift. And even being given the chance to play a human is like winning the lottery. I mean, that's how it felt to me. It felt like I was being given a million dollar winning lottery ticket. Now, now that I'm here, I've experienced some profoundly difficult experiences. But the thing is, all of those contain within them an incredible opportunity and an incredible leverage offering.

something very challenging happens, it's like here is a great leverage. How will you use it? You see, and the way that we use it successfully is actually choosing love, peace, freedom, joy, creativity, acceptance in this moment, rather than rejecting it and doing all the ego shenanigans and playing that game, which doesn't ultimately work. So the physical is highly limiting, which means it has a high opportunity for prompting fear.

Christian Sundberg (24:15.094)

It has a high opportunity for stimulating yet on evolve in this, you know, our human race is full of thousands and thousands of years of very crude, fear-based thought patterns and, behaviors and activities and institutions and belief systems. mean, our world is full of it. It's full of it, but that's because the limitation set is so high. So now the question is, okay, it's high. What can we do with it guys? Like, what can we do with this limitation set? And we are a lot more powerful in what we can do than what we often recognize.

Scott Britton (24:48.179)

Does the limitation set shift in a major way as the, as the evolvedness grows while, while in form, while incarnated in form.

Christian Sundberg (24:56.534)

Yes, so, yeah.

Okay. So, yes. Okay. Certain limitations follow us throughout a life. If you're born with one arm, it's very likely you're going to have one arm your entire life. I say very likely because technically anything can be changed in the virtual reality, but basically you're going to have to deal with that limitation your whole life. And there are certain condition conditionalities that we build up in our lives, certain patterns, certain pains, things our parents teach us as kids that we end up carrying with us through our whole lives. Right.

So there's certain contexts that tend to stay with us. However, as consciousness evolves, there's two like important ways that to your question, yes, we do end up shifting. One, we ourselves change and as we ourselves change, the way that we see the limitation changes. And that is a change in the limitation because the entire thing is only an experience by consciousness, you see. So if consciousness changes,

even if the limitations haven't changed the way that consciousness experiences it. And thus, the reality itself, because reality is an experience, changes. So that's the first thing. And the second thing is, this physical reality is actually probabilistic in how it actualizes. It's not deterministic, even though it looks pretty deterministic on the surface. What I mean is, it actually shifts based on a rule set that is connected to the intention of consciousness.

Scott Britton (26:01.609)

Hmm.

Christian Sundberg (26:24.462)

So if you, and if and as you evolve, that evolution will tend to nudge and change the things around you and the things in your life physically. It will tend to, we use the word manifestation, it'll tend to manifest or actualize circumstances or a change in the limitations that more accurately affect your state of consciousness over time.

Scott Britton (26:46.111)

My interpretation of the latter point is that there seems to be an inflection where you realize the power of your intention and consciousness and you start to claim it in a way that before was more life seemed very random, It's kind of like happening to you and you're purely kind of moving through it as an agent.

Christian Sundberg (27:03.63)

passive?

Mm-hmm.

Scott Britton (27:12.765)

without taking into consideration the impact of on the probabilistic stuff of your consciousness.

Christian Sundberg (27:19.182)

Mm hmm. Yeah, that's true. That's true. We are the authors of our experience, both in the meaning we apply and in how we're helping it to actualize. Yes.

Scott Britton (27:27.699)

A question that I have is, as things happen in this incarnation, right? And it seems like it's really our relationship to what's unfolding, which has the ripple effect, right? Do we meet it with love or do we, you know, cling to an old pattern? How is that impacting other incarnations if these things are happening simultaneously?

Christian Sundberg (27:54.392)

So that's probably a good segue for actually for me to continue the sharing of what I experienced in my pre birth experience. So after that, that quote unquote failed incarnation, it wasn't truly a failure, but after I had caused a miscarriage, they brought me this life. And as I reviewed this life, I reviewed it like, it's like if you took a tree and laid it on its side and started at the thick part of the trunk and worked your way out to the branches.

Scott Britton (27:59.049)

Perfect.

Christian Sundberg (28:22.678)

It was like reviewing millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of possibilities all at once within seconds. And so what is the thing that actualized which fork in the tree branches would occur? You know, and the answer is free will intention, my choice making and the choice making of every other player in the game. So in other words, the life is a context and a probability set of what could unfold.

And what decides what unfolds, what you decide and what I decide and what we all choose every day, the quality of intention we bring into our experience through choice-making every day in our own lives and those around us that causes the tree to unfold in an actualized way. So we very much on, affect each other and help each other to actualize certain paths of pre-life plan.

Scott Britton (29:16.703)

But I guess my question is, and maybe I'm making an incorrect assumption here that all the incarnations are happening simultaneously, like there is no space and time, right? So if you make a loving choice, right, in this moment, is that impacting these other incarnations? Like that's kind of the question that I had.

Christian Sundberg (29:26.44)

Yes, that's true.

Christian Sundberg (29:38.568)

yes. Okay. Yeah. I was speaking closer to our time scale, in my previous comment, because it seems that everything is unfolding in a linear fashion. And there is a way that this, this virtual reality, the physical universe is, you could say simulated over time and all the probabilities are calculated every unit time as we go forward. So it has an unfolding and linear linear time is built in other words.

Okay. But your second point just there is a deeper comment around the oneness of all time, because linear time itself, at least as we experience it is non fundamental. It's not a fundamentally real thing. It's a creation. It's like a, an invention or something you could say within consciousness. Okay. So that whole process of unfolding through linear time is taking place within spirit.

And that one spirit, which has a higher time we could call soul sequence or soul evolution time. I don't want to get too much into that, but anyway, all of that is taking place within the one now. Okay. So because everything is taking place in the one now, here's, here's this really powerful point. And I, this is the human mind is a real hard time getting it set around this, but anytime you do something in this now, you are doing it in all the nows because all the nows are the one now there's only one now.

So if you can meet a fear right now, today, like if you can feel a feeling that you've never let yourself feel before, for instance, you just did it for all nows.

Christian Sundberg (31:20.364)

And so of course that has an effect. Does that speak to your question?

Scott Britton (31:23.613)

And I and and the opposite, the opposite is true, I suppose as well.

Christian Sundberg (31:29.388)

what opposite?

Scott Britton (31:30.269)

Well, I guess my point is, that whether we choose fear or love, right, that's going to have a cascading effect.

Christian Sundberg (31:38.232)

So let's talk about that. This is interesting. There is not a true fundamental reality to fear. There is a true fundamental reality to love. So our true nature is non-dual. It is a oneness. And that oneness is love and peace and freedom and joy. That is its true nature. There is no fear in that. There can't be fear in it. Fear only can exist when we bind a perception that is not that.

So when we buy into something that's not powerful or not free or not love, not loving, that's when we feel fear. Right. So the reason I'm commenting in that context of your question in that way is that we can't say that there's truly an opposite to love. There's, there's only the great love and it is taking so Jones into something that it's not. Apparently, which is limitation and the potential fear that may arise from it.

in order to deepen and expand the thing that is real, which is the love. So ultimately everything serves love.

Scott Britton (32:46.995)

You know, one thing I've noticed amongst spiritual paths, it's funny because I'm like here on earth, is that there seems to be some that are more heart centered around opening the heart and kind of cultivating love and then some that are more centered around, you know, non-duality, right? And kind of like this like heightened state of awareness. And I'm just curious what you think about that.

based on your comments regarding love.

Christian Sundberg (33:17.25)

Yeah. So we just made two things out of one thing again in the question, because now there's an idea, non-duality. And then there's this thing called feelings. How do they relate to each other? They're all, they are all non-duality. Like they are all of the one thing. Every single thing is made out of the consciousness. You could say everything. And that consciousness is singular. It isn't two things actually. It is oneness. And so.

It's the illusion of the many layers of form and that's where we kind of get trapped. Okay, but meanwhile, more specifically to your question, that's kind of a more of a philosophical comment, but more specifically, okay, here's the thing. So heart centered living tends to be a living that is in alignment with love, which is the nature of that one stuff, that one non-dual stuff. So.

Even if it looks like we're talking, are we talking about ideas like, like detachment and non-duality, or are we talking about practical action through and feeling like warm feeling through the heart? Well, I'm actually really passionate about this bridge. I feel like I have felt called and my book is kind of like a kind of a way to speak to this. I've been called to try to bridge the non-dual with the actualized local and with the warmth.

because the warmth is an expression of the non-dual. It's all one beautiful thing. so a way we could put that is it's all ultimately in service of dispelling the thing that is not actually real, which is fear and the fear of limit, including of the limitation that has been created here. So it's all a working back towards that one thing. And heart centered living is a beautiful part of that. And knowing consciousness as the one field of awareness is a beautiful part of that.

Scott Britton (35:12.521)

Hmm. I appreciate that perspective. So getting, getting back to your story, I know you went through some prolonged health challenges that can kind of contextualize some of the ideas that we've talking are talking about. Can you share more on that?

Christian Sundberg (35:20.674)

Yes.

Christian Sundberg (35:27.054)

Sure. So when I was 22, I tried to move to China. I studied in Beijing at the age of 20. And when I tried to move to China, I had a heat stroke in a Chinese city called Chengdu. And it was very hot and humid. And I was in the Chinese hospital for four days and they pumped my body full of potassium and like bag after bag after bag. And it caused some kind of neurological burning that was head to toe agonizing for months.

I couldn't do anything. I was just in pain. That was the physical, the first physical form of chronic health condition that I've experienced. I've experienced many other conditions since then autoimmune disease, lung collapse. I won't get into all them all. There's too many to the name, but I've had very many very painful health conditions and in a body that is very, very, very sensitive. So I experienced things very deeply, including all these pains at the time.

that that 20 at 22 when I had this health experience, I only experienced trauma because I could not experience, I could not escape the pain. And I just felt trapped in this perception of powerlessness. This very perception that was the fear. I had post-traumatic stress afterwards. I would just sit and rock back and forth for months in a row. And I was completely like disassociated because it was such a painful experience for me. I went through years of EMDR therapy.

where layer by layer, I worked through like all the fears and eventually found the root fear, the most terrifying moment where I was laying in a hospital bed in Chengdu and my heart was doing weird stuff. And they said that my heart could have stopped it. And I was in terrible, terrible pain. And I felt so deeply the sense, most importantly was this fear, this incredible sense of I am powerless. I cannot escape agony. going to, I could, I could die and I can't escape. And it was just like this raging of energy.

That energy was what I came to process. And I have since worked through it through EMDR, but also through many other ways, because it connects to so many things in life. And even since then, I've had many chronic health challenges, but they're different now. They don't have the same charge to them. And if and when they arise and there are other aspects of the cave, such as my own personal metaphor, I feel like dealing with this health experience at 22 and finding the fear that

Christian Sundberg (37:52.278)

took years to even find the root fear that was like touching the back wall of a huge cavern. But meanwhile, the cavern still has space, it's still big, it's got a lot of context and volume. And so other experiences arise to pull chunks out of this volume and hand it to me for processing. And that's okay. You know, as that happens, I seek to fully allow and process and surrender and integrate. And that is a profound opportunity. So yeah, it's not what happens to us. It's how we hold it.

how we respond to it. In my case, that has taken the form primarily through numerous health experiences throughout my life.

Scott Britton (38:30.377)

Well, I've been going through something similar and it's very inspiring to hear your story. And it seems like, yeah, the physical manifestations are related to that root fear. And then we have the capacity to face and accept as a way to shift the physical, the way the physical form responds.

Christian Sundberg (38:52.492)

Yeah, interest, very subtle point that I just felt nudge to say it is about acceptance, but acceptance actually doesn't require for that physical thing to change. Now, ironically, once we fully accept it and we're okay that it doesn't change, that's when it changes. You know, that's when it, that's when it fully releases, but acceptance is just accept it and it's not a stupid acceptance. It's not a divorced acceptance. It's an actual.

my goodness, I'm actually going to feel this right now fully and be completely present with it. Completely present. It's like bringing your awareness into the experience itself without judgment. That is like shining the light of your awareness into a dark corner. You know, yeah. Anyway, I just thought I mentioned that.

Scott Britton (39:40.105)

Thank you for sharing that. One of the things I've heard you say that I thought is a really important point to underscore is this concept that we cannot fail.

Tell us more, because that's a bewildering idea to many here on Earth.

Christian Sundberg (39:58.402)

Yeah, there's not many other ways to say it other than to say that the substance of consciousness itself is like the water of the ocean. Perhaps the water can't fail being water. No matter how it moves, no matter what currents it takes part in, no matter its salinity or temperature, no matter if it freezes into ice cubes and then unfreezes, it's okay. It's movement within the water. Now there is such a thing as more or less optimal paths through manifest creation.

In other words, we could take more or less painful routes through fear or just more directly towards love. But the thing is, like I mentioned earlier, love is the only actual real truth. And that love, that loving nature of spirit itself, nothing is required of it. And this entire thing is seen and completely understood. Like every decision you've ever made is entirely, it's actually understood more than you yourself understand it.

You know, it's like when we see from the perspective of spirit or source, it isn't like this unconditional love that we talk about in spirituality. It's not like a stupid neutral, general, unconditional love. No, it is an extremely intelligent, extremely wise, extremely well-seeing, deeply seeing love. And that is the love that celebrates you as even not just in spite of your failings, but for

the fact that you've gone through these experiences and even put yourself in a situation where you could apparently fail. It takes a lot of bravery to do that. It's very respectable. You could say it's very respectable to even incarnate. So it's very important for us to remember that because we tend to judge ourselves. We tend to think, my gosh, I'm a failure or I'm shameful or like, man, I really screwed that. Forgive yourself. Forgive yourself.

You could say in a sense there's nothing to forgive. It's like you're here in a really, really hard simulation and the system sees it. It sees, it knows everything. It sees all the context. We can't actually fail in that. Now we do have free will to make choices that are more in alignment with love or fear. And if we make choices that are more in alignment with fear, we're going to tend to suffer. This doesn't feel good. And, but that is the feedback you see. The negative experience is the feedback. It's not...

Christian Sundberg (42:21.89)

that you need to be punished. No, no, no. It's just that it's wise. It's simply wise. It's intelligent. It's even logical to choose love and actualize all the things love means, kindness and understanding and bravery and self-ownership and release and all the many things that love means in this world because that is aligning with the true power and with the reality versus aligning with fear and ego and smallness and anger and hatred and all that crap.

That doesn't actually get you anywhere. It's aligning with an illusion. It hurts. Is that a failure? No, it's not a failure. It's just you chose something painful.

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