EvolutionFM Transcript: How To Master Money AND Spirituality Without Choosing One (Danny Morel)

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Danny Morel is a former real estate mogul turned spiritual teacher whose message is shaking the foundation of what it means to live a truly successful life. Known for his raw truth and unwavering authenticity, Danny has guided thousands through the deepest layers of personal transformation and this conversation is no exception.

He shares how the death of his mother led him to the jungle, to ayahuasca, and ultimately to a realization that shattered the lie we’ve been sold: that we must choose between wealth and wisdom, ambition and alignment.

Danny challenges entrepreneurs to face the question they’re most afraid to ask why are you doing what you're doing? With stories that dig into forgiveness and the illusion of separation, Danny flips the script on spirituality. And just when you think he’s said it all, he reveals the one thing we’re all running from and why facing it changes everything.

Transcripts may contain a few typos. With many episodes lasting 1+ hour, it can be difficult to catch minor errors. Enjoy!

Danny, great to have you here, man. You know, there's a lot of reasons why I was excited to chat with you, but one of the big ones is I feel like there's this kind of compartmentalization of spiritual growth and then worldly success. And there's not a lot of people out there that are saying, hey, you can do both. And in fact, I'm doing both. And I think where I'd like to start the show is really just to understand. I know you've had a lot of success

Danny Morel (00:06)

Thanks for having me.

Scott Britton (00:34)

in your career over time, when did the consciousness work really start to come front and center into your life? ⁓

Danny Morel (00:43)

Yeah, first I want to speak to the whole, you know, I can't have both thing. ⁓ What happens when we start this work is we essentially leave the mind and return to the heart and return to our feminine and return to all of the parts of us that we've been disconnected from. And we want to go into the jungles and sing kumbaya and, you know, ⁓

hang out all day and talk to friends. And then eventually, like, you get to realize that that's not going to give you the means that you need to make a real impact here on this planet. And oftentimes, we over-spiritualize everything and we say things like, well, there wasn't any money around when Jesus was here or something like that. And my answer to that is, but yeah, it's 2025.

And so when you say that, what is actually happening is you've created a story about why you can't be both. And I'll get to the word both in a second. And you use things like that. The ego uses things like that to justify where you're at in life and to keep you stuck in this box. And the second thing I want to discuss is the word both. ⁓ because when you're thinking of spirituality and money as both, you're still.

living in the frequency of separation without knowing it. And the true journey of spirituality is to become one with everything. The true journey of spirituality is the discovery of your highest, authentic self. The true journey of spirituality is for you to remember that the goal is for you to be one with God. And if God was walking around planet Earth and he, she, it had an option,

between being rich or poor, it would probably be rich. And the reason why it would be rich is because it would know that it's the way for, it would be the way for it to make the highest amount of impact here in the world, to ⁓ be able to help the most amount of people. If God were walking around planet earth and it had a choice between being passionately in love or... ⁓

You know, just being like in a shit relationship, it would choose passionately and love because it's what's available to all of us. If God had a choice between being, you know, unhealthy and stuck on prescription meds and being, you know, vibrant, healthy, ⁓ not, and vibrant and healthy is different than you choosing fitness because of the way your body is going to look. That's a completely different energy.

vibrant and healthy is something that is happening from within. And the outcome of it all is that your body looks a certain way. But if you think about it, that's exactly how finances is. Finances and money is the outcome of your thoughts, feelings, emotions, beliefs about yourself, about life, about what's possible, about how you've been able to confront your limitations, your fears, your worries about how you've been able to go.

all in for what you believe is true and how you want to serve humanity. And so when you have a lot of money, it's just the outcome of helping a lot of people. That's it. And so there is no both. There is no spirituality and money. All is one. And when you get that, the money is just a byproduct of how you're living. So that was first. Second, how, where, did it all begin for me was when my mom died.

which was about seven years ago or so. And ⁓ I'm just an all-in kind of person, just the way I've always been. ⁓ So I don't know any other way to be. I don't know any other way to exist. ⁓ I want the truth. I want to go live in the truth. I want to go share the truth. And, ⁓ you know, it started with my first ayahuasca ceremony I never looked back and I just kept going back. It was interesting. I have this

Scott Britton (04:34)

I just feel that. ⁓

Danny Morel (04:57)

this offering called Inner Circle and it's with entrepreneurs and I had a brother and he's been in it for four years. You know, I let everybody go at their own pace. ⁓ But he finally said, he's like, you know, I feel like I'm in between dark and light and I just had to confront him and I said, listen, you've been with us four and a half years, right? And he said, yeah. And I go, how many week long, like in the jungles trips have you done? And he said, none.

And I go, and how many times have you heard me say that I went back and I went back and I went back and I went back and I kept going back until I felt there was no need to go back. He said a lot. And I go, so what are you avoiding? You know, and I think that's the question for us all is what is it that we're avoiding and why are we avoiding it? Because when we discover that, then we get to ask ourselves, like, do we want to live life from a place of avoidance? Or do we want to go into the thing that we're avoiding?

Scott Britton (05:55)

So, you I want to talk a little bit more in the details of that, right? Because a lot of people see you today like, wow, you're inspiring all these people, you're doing business and spirituality, you went all in after the death of your mother. Was there any point where you thought you had to choose one or the other? Like, how was that, how did that blend unfold?

Danny Morel (06:14)

Yeah,

no. And I'll tell you why. I remember back in my real estate days, I heard the saying, the either or mentality and the either or mentality is a type of mindset in which the ego thinks either I have this or I have that, but I can't have it all. And this is where a lot of like the, you know, the non-conscious teachers out there say things like,

You know, sleep when you die and work life balance doesn't exist. ⁓ and I'm here to tell the exact opposite is work life balance doesn't exist because the energy in which you are approaching your business is an energy of desire. It's an outcome. It's a goal. It's something that you're chasing that you think that when you arrive at that destination, then you'll finally be happy. But when you finally realize that.

Life isn't meant to be a chase. It's not meant to be a grind. It's not meant to be destination focus. It's actually meant to be in stillness and in the present moment. Then you start to confront all of the parts of your life where you're constantly looking out there for the answer and you're constantly avoiding being right here. And when you realize that what you've been avoiding is being still because you're afraid to be still because you're afraid of what might show up.

then you realize why you don't have work life balance because balance is not an outcome. It's not something that you attain. It's something that you are. And as a result of being balance, work life balance simply shows up. That's the missing link right there.

Scott Britton (07:55)

I like that. So, you know, for people out there that are like, okay, Danny, I hear you go to the jungle, do some ayahuasca, which by the way, was also the catalyst to my journey. That first altered state of consciousness and connection with my higher self. I mean, it kind of just catapulted me in a very new direction for my life. But if people aren't quite ready to do that and they've been playing this kind of achievement game to feel good, where do you, where do they start?

Danny Morel (08:25)

Well, I would say the first question an entrepreneur needs to ask themselves is, why am I really doing what I'm doing?

And to be honest with you, most people don't want to ask that question because they are so disconnected from the truth that they don't even know how deep of a question that actually is. So I'll give you my answer. When I look back to who I was prior to my spiritual awakening, ⁓ I was afraid to ask that question because I already knew the answer. The answer was.

I needed validation. I needed to feel more powerful than you. I needed to be admired and respected by you. I desperately needed you to like me. I needed to feel like I made more money than you and I had nicer things than you because deep inside there was a deeply insecure scared little boy. A scared little boy that didn't receive the love that he was looking for when he was a

And that's the most thing that I think that's the biggest thing that entrepreneurs are missing is asking themselves, why am I an entrepreneur? Like, why do I need to hit the goal? Why do I need to make the money? I didn't say making the money was wrong. I didn't say hitting the goal was wrong. I didn't say having a goal was wrong. I didn't say any of that. I said why. And when you go deep into that shit, get ready.

Because that, that, that, that's what's going to reveal some truth to you, you know, and the, courage, the courage is keep peeling back the layers. And as you keep peeling back, the layers is like some of us, love doing seminars and we love coaching other people. I'll tell you right now, there's some people that I'm telling you right now, there's a people that have done the medicine that they they've done the kumbaya. They've done the ayahuasca 30 times. have no fucking business coaching anybody on planet earth.

Scott Britton (10:32)

Why do you say that? Yeah.

Danny Morel (10:33)

because they're a fucking mess.

straight up and that's a large percentage of the life coaches have shit lives.

Scott Britton (10:46)

Well, what I've seen quite a bit is a lot of people are still trying to heal that wound, right, through feeling important. Yeah, that's it. Or surface by now being a coach and telling others.

Danny Morel (10:57)

it's, it's a, it's a quick way to avoid it. And again, I didn't say go be a life, don't go be a life coach, but, but if, if you're asking me, if you're asking me, okay, Danny, I want to have it all. I want to help other people with their life. You know, I want to make millions upon millions of dollars. Yeah. I want to travel the world and, ⁓ stay in five star resorts, but at the same time, I want to help people through their deepest, darkest moments. Right.

Then I would tell you, not, I repeat, do not coach a single soul until you can say that you have mastery in the three energies of human mastery. And that is your finances. That's your relationship. And that is your health. Because until you have mastery in those three things, how are you going to help another human being? The answer is your, you can't.

Scott Britton (11:53)

Yeah.

Danny Morel (11:54)

And the answer is that you have to understand like how sacred this work is, right? How, how much people out there are looking on Instagram for someone to help them. Yeah. And you want to be able to look in the mirror. Like I can look in the mirror. I can look you in the eye. I could look anyone in the eye right now. And I can tell you straight out. I am the best person on planet earth. When you're ready to have it all because I've done the work I've rolled around in the dirt. I've

cried and shat my eyeballs out and like, you know what saying? You know what saying? Like I like, you know, I'm saying like, I thought and then and then when I and then when I thought I had it figured out, I went more and I went more and you know, when I when I brought on a partner and I and I attracted my partner, like I went out there and I called into existence my dream partner, not settling my dream.

partner and then when that dream partner came out and started confronting me and started saying the same shit that my ex wife said, guess what I did? I went in to figure out what was that? What was going on with me? You know what I'm saying? So I could, so I could speak about relationships because I get it now. Yeah. Because that scared little boy needed the dream partner. If I'm honest, he needed the beautiful blonde to be, he needed all that shit. Right.

Scott Britton (13:00)

Right.

Danny Morel (13:17)

And now I realized what source was actually doing. Source was actually preparing me and us to show people that love is not about skin color. It's not about height. It's not about looks. It's not about any of that stuff. It's about the heart, you know? ⁓ and so, yeah, man, I get pretty fired up.

Scott Britton (13:38)

love it, dude. I love it. And yeah, you know, it reminds me of a conversation I had with my spiritual teacher. There was a time early in my marriage where I'm like, I don't know, you know, like, and, we had the first year was just like head over heels. Fuck. Yeah. Like the most amazing thing. And then like, you know, things started coming off his life. And, and my teacher was like, you know, that like, she is your perfect Mira.

and that she's gonna bring up all your shit. And that is actually the higher order purpose of your relationship. ⁓ And if this doesn't, if you don't take care of this on your side, you're just gonna get more of this for a lifetime. And so it's like, all right, the intelligent, forget spiritual, the intelligent thing to do is to look within. And that has been ⁓ incredibly empowering. And I think, I often wonder, I'm like, if every couple took that mindset.

how the landscape of marriage and partnership be different.

Danny Morel (14:39)

Listen, I'll tell you this much. This is a true story. So I can remember building my real estate business. And I remember three years into my real estate business, no one's going to want to hear this story. Three years into building my real estate business, I started feeling a certain way about my business. I started feeling a certain way about the people, the industry, the tie, the suit, just the whole thing.

Scott Britton (14:53)

I want to hear it.

Danny Morel (15:08)

There was a little ping in my heart that was like, I don't know if this is actually for you. Like, I don't know if you actually like that. Right. And I immediately started looking at, I'm going to go be a life coach. True story. You know, I'm going to go be the next Tony Robbins. Yeah. Yeah. Right. This is what happens. Right. And you know what I decided to do? That was the greatest decision I ever made. said, no.

Scott Britton (15:26)

I think a lot of people do that.

Danny Morel (15:36)

I said, you're not going to go anywhere and you're not going to, going to do anything until you prove to yourself that you mastered this. So I said a crazy goal. said, I'm going to do a billion dollars in annual sales. That's 2,600 houses a year. That's over 230, 40 houses a month.

That's a lot of houses. That's a lot of houses. Right. And at the time we were doing, I don't know. 80 million or something like that. But you see what I did? I said, okay, if you want to have the guts to say that you want to go help other people with their shit, fix your shit right here. And right now, because what you're actually doing is you're actually avoiding you're, you're, you're avoiding.

Scott Britton (16:08)

That's a lot of freaking out.

Danny Morel (16:36)

Like the depths in which you need to go to master this industry, to walk away knowing that you can look back going that I left my mark to this day. You look in Southern California, like a large percentage of the brokers, a large percentage of the real estate agents, you know, in some parts of the country, like I'll be watching postings and they'll be saying the things that like I said, and it's really cool because I can walk away going like, wow, like that chapter in my life.

It's closed because I closed it the way it was supposed to be closed. I proved to myself that I wasn't avoiding that. I wasn't running that I wasn't taking the easy way out. I actually did the opposite. went in and when I didn't want to go in, I went in again. And now you can see how I was that way with the medicine. Right. And so that's my challenge to everybody's before you coach another soul. This is going to wipe out 90 % of the life coaches out there, by the way.

Scott Britton (17:24)

it.

Danny Morel (17:34)

Like go master your shit. ⁓

Scott Britton (17:36)

No.

Well, what I love, what I love about that story too, right? And I'm not sure the timeline of like when that lined up with your mom, but like, again, back to this whole like, can I be spiritual and have wildly big and ⁓ ambitious goals? Like you can use that to bring out the shadow, right? Like all of the, like to do a billion dollars, you probably had a lot of limiting beliefs to overcome, lot of self-worth stuff, a lot of so self-esteem, right? A bunch.

You basically created the container to face all of it. That's it.

Danny Morel (18:10)

And I decided to face it. I decided to face it because you know what happens, man, is that sometimes people look at me and they're like, like, how, did you do? How did you do? Brother? I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know how to start. I didn't know how to lead breath work. I didn't know. I didn't know anything. And now we, you know, we have probably the largest outside of Joe dispense, I think like in the spiritual community following we lead the largest breath works on planet earth with it. And people say,

How did you do it? Because I've been through it.

Because I wasn't afraid. And when I saw an ounce of me, an ounce of me that wasn't operating from integrity, from love, from source energy, guess what I did? I faced it. I admitted it. It's the only way, man.

Scott Britton (19:08)

Well, interesting thing is there does seem to be this point. You definitely you have to have had this experience where it goes from a painful experience to a delight. Just discover more truth about yourself. Yeah. Right. That that revelation actually becomes the currency, which is most valuable to you. But you have to you got to dig your knees in when it's uncomfortable in the beginning.

Danny Morel (19:30)

Well, when you say that revelation is like, know, whenever, you know, it's very rare now, ⁓ because ultimately for us men, you know, Our greatest fear is true connection and relationship, because that means we've returned truly to the feminine. The man seeks freedom and the woman seeks connection. The masculine seeks freedom, the feminine seeks connection. And so what I realized

is that there will be times where I would try to look in my mind would wonder and go like, what if I could find somebody else? Here I was. I doesn't let's just be real. Let's just be real. Let's just be honest. Right. And here I was like, you know, waited my whole life attracted my dream partner. Like she's, she's, she's to me, the most incredible woman on planet earth. And I'm not just, I'm, I'm talking in here and in here and energetically, right.

Scott Britton (20:05)

guy doesn't.

Danny Morel (20:25)

And yet, I'm just being honest with you guys, you know? Because a lot of us want to go on the chase, we want to conquer, we want to find, we want to, you know, me caveman, me Jane, right? And then once we have it, it's...

Scott Britton (20:38)

That

was the most fun game to play. Yeah, that's right. For a long time. right.

Danny Morel (20:41)

Yeah. And then I remember laying there thinking like...

You're afraid.

That's what this is about. You're afraid to actually be with someone for the rest of your life. You're afraid to actually love someone.

you're afraid to actually be loved for exactly who and what you are. Not because of the way you look, not because of what you earn, not because of...

sees you, but for who you actually are, that's what you're afraid of. That's why you keep thinking of finding someone else. That's why your mind wonders. And when I discovered that dude, go...

What I've actually been afraid of is what I've actually always wanted. And when I surrender to that, I surrender to love, we just went like this.

Scott Britton (21:52)

chills. That the the notion that we're unable to receive love is so counterintuitive. But man, is it freaking true.

Danny Morel (22:05)

It's it. It's it. Because listen bro, at some point in time in our childhood, our needs were met by our parents. And we could have had the most perfect parents in the world. But everybody's on their journey. And so if the love we were searching for wasn't available to us, then there's a wound in there. Yeah? And for some of us it's a small wound. For others, like we work with people who

you know, their parents sexually abused them. Like that's the farthest end of the spectrum, but that's a massive, massive wound, you know?

And so the more of these wounds that we face as children and the more separate that we are from love, the more that we think love equals pain.

And when love equals pain, what are you going to do? You're going to do everything in your power to avoid that pain. And I think that's one of the greatest issues in relationships today is that we have a whole bunch of wounded and scared little boys and little girls who have never processed that fear, who've never processed that pain, who've never been shown how to work through it, how to actually find the beauty in it all. And as a result, like

We're together, but we're not together.

Scott Britton (23:33)

Yeah. So how do you teach people to work through that?

Danny Morel (23:38)

you know, that's the beautiful thing is that like our, I think the greatest thing I teach and that we can all teach is that the answer is not in me. The answer is in you. I think that's what makes our work the most magical is that, you know, because yes, there was a time in my life where I was on that stage and I needed you to need me, ⁓ because I've been able to work through all of that energy.

And there's literally not like even a thread of it left when people come to awaken or to our events, they, they feel like, ⁓ shit. It's like, I thought it was coming to see this dude. Like I'm coming to meet me. And then, you know, that's where the rubber meets the road. And so what we do, like, I think the magic of awakened, for example, our, our event is that, you know, it's, it's a combination of, you know,

Me working on all the limitations of the mind and pulling them away and challenging them. And I challenge everything. I challenge everything society has taught you. I challenge the bullshit that religion has imprinted in you. I challenge every limiting belief that exists in the deepest part of your heart. And so I challenge it so much that you want to punch me in the face, but you can't cause you know, it's true.

Scott Britton (25:05)

I want to zoom in on the religion imprinting conditioning, right? And I also want to talk about forgiveness with you. And I know one of the things that you talked about is forgiveness of Jesus. And I'm curious if you could share more on that. Well, why were you mad? Why were you mad at the guy in the first place?

Danny Morel (25:21)

What do you wanna know?

was mad at Jesus because I believed with all my heart and soul the lie that religion teaches us, the lie that Christianity teaches us, that He is our Savior. And I believe with all my heart and soul that I was a sinner. And I believe with all my heart and soul that He was coming, which He's obviously not. And it's one thing for you to hear that mentally.

Like you're hearing that right now. And based off of where you are energetically, by the way, the closer you are to lower frequencies, the closer you are to the frequencies of guilt and shame, the more you're probably pissed off at.

Scott Britton (26:17)

I can see this being very triggering statements to some people.

Danny Morel (26:20)

That's the truth. And I can prove it to you because yeah, let me just finish that statement. And the closer you are to love, acceptance, peace, joy, and oneness, the more that love inside of you would allow me to just be who I am. The more that you are so centered that there's nothing I could say that could trigger.

But as a result of that, the more that you would agree with me, because in order to get to that place, you know, that it is impossible, impossible for something to come through the clouds and save you one day. And everyone that believes goes to heaven and everyone that doesn't die. That is a lot like Santa Claus is coming. And if you're not a good little boy or girl, you're not going to get the gifts.

That is a lot like COVID is here. And if you don't get the job, then you're going to die and lose all your money. And it sounds very similar because that's what the frequency of fear does. The frequency of fear takes the separation that lives within you and pulls it out to control you with it. Because our greatest fear is that we are actually one with the creator.

Our greatest fear is that we are actually one with Jesus. Our greatest fear is that Jesus was actually walking around on earth telling everybody exactly what I'm telling you right now. Our greatest fear is that everything that you were to call me right now, new age and the antichrist and the is exactly what they called him.

Because they were so disconnected from their hearts that they couldn't understand what he was saying. Is that we are all perfect. The trees are perfect. The sky is perfect. The ground is perfect. The animals are perfect. The only one that by even you were perfect. You were perfect. The moment you were born, look at a child. You think that child is born thing and I'm a sinner. No, it's complete bullshit. It's an imprint. It's literally an energetic microchip that is placed in your mind.

to keep you in the constant frequency of guilt and separation. And I'm going to go bring it all back to the whole money and spirituality and all of that. And that is why ultimately you can't have it all because deep inside on an energetic basis, you don't think you are.

Scott Britton (29:03)

I mean this exact thing that you're talking about when I started to wake up and Started to see the mountains of programming that kept me small that were part of my church upbringing. I was pissed

Danny Morel (29:17)

Now you know why I was mad at Jesus. I was pissed, man.

Scott Britton (29:20)

I was so

pissed. And, ⁓ you know, I, I remember, I think it was Cynthia Borgot. I was reading her book, the wisdom of Jesus that looked at a lot of the scriptures that were not included in the Bible that were not remixed by the Robins that actually showed that him at him more as a teacher of non-duality and unconditional love that I was like, ⁓ I'm actually pissed at man.

I'm actually pissed at all the humans, right, that wanted to have these control structures because they were afraid.

Danny Morel (29:52)

I want to challenge all of you right now, because when I start talking about this stuff, everyone immediately goes to, well, like, where did you learn this? Where did you read it? What did you, don't you get it? When you live in separation and you live in the mind, you are dependent upon someone else to tell you what to believe. You are dependent upon needing a validation, needing to see it in writing.

And what I am offering you is what is available to every human on planet earth. Close the books. Stop believing. Don't believe me. As a matter of fact, told me to go to hell, do whatever you want. Call me the antichrist. That's perfectly fine, but have the balls to go drink the medicine and go ask the question. Tell me the truth about life. Show me the truth about Jesus and then shut the fuck up.

and drink and lay there and face all your shit and watch what happens.

Scott Britton (30:58)

Well, I'm hoping some people take you up on that offer.

Danny Morel (31:01)

If they do, I will bet $100 bazillion dollars that they will see that what I'm saying is absolute truth, because the truth requires no belief. The truth simply is. As a matter of fact, if you're told to believe something, it's an actual sign that it can't be true. Because belief is the opposite of truth. You don't believe that it's a tree.

It's a tree. You don't believe that it's the sky. It's the sky. You don't believe that you were born. You were born. You don't believe that all this he, she, it stuff. You don't believe that you're a man. You just look down and you have a thing and too little. Or you don't believe that you're a woman. You just looked up. It is what it is. The truth is what it is. You're loving this shit, aren't you?

Scott Britton (31:55)

Dude, I'm like, thank you, thank you, thank you, right? And I think, you know, what I'm hearing from you, which is very much aligned kind of with my path is like, it's when you can accept reality as it is that you look inward and then you have a chance to see more truth.

Danny Morel (32:15)

That's it. That's it. And who you are, who you're feeling right now, what you're feeling right now is authenticity.

Scott Britton (32:28)

And it's so freaking rare these days.

Danny Morel (32:32)

what, and what I am telling you, please listen to me. The original question that you had is why is it that spiritual people have, this is what's happening. Spiritual people have the heart, but have, don't have the money and entrepreneurs have the money, but don't have the heart. If I'm here to do anything on this planet is to show you that the reason that is such is because energetically you have bought into this idea.

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