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Getting Unstuck Between Your Old Self and New Self (Marc Champagne)
Scott Britton
October 02, 2025
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“It's not about labeling old self, new self. It's kind of letting them live and coexist together, but in a way that brings a little bit more peace to the mind. And that's the magic. And in a way, just, recognizing that you're in that between space instead of fearing it, like that's where the magic lives. And then also acknowledging ourselves that the fact that we're recognizing that, you know, and everyone's on different timelines, but I know for me, you know, maybe seven or eight years ago, I wouldn't have recognized that. Just that alone is progress. Recognizing that I'm like, wow, okay, that's old programming. I would have never known that, right?” (29:11 in this cast)
Marc Champagne is a mental fitness strategist, best-selling author of Personal Socrates, host of the top-50 ranked podcast Behind The Human, and co-founder of the journaling app KYO, which reached nearly 87 million people. In this conversation, we discuss how to strategically use questions and move gracefully through shedding old identities so we can embrace new ones.
In this conversation, we explore how a simple practice of self-inquiry can transform your mindset in minutes and help you navigate the challenging space between who you were and who you're becoming. Marc calls this "being between selves," and it's the most common struggle he sees among people doing serious inner work.
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This episode is great for:
Anyone experiencing transformation fatigue who are exhausted by the mental tug-of-war of transformation
People who journal inconsistently or feel like their self-reflection practice has plateaued
Those who feel stuck between versions of themselves
Ideas that really stuck out to me:
The between-selves phenomenon is real and exhausting. When you do inner work, you become hyper-aware of old programming while simultaneously trying to embody new ways of being. It creates a mental tug-of-war that can be draining. This is the reality nobody warns you about that your new self knows better but your old self still grabs the steering wheel sometimes.
Stop labeling old self as bad and new self as good. The consensus across wisdom traditions is to let both versions coexist. The discomfort isn't evidence something's wrong. The discomfort is the transformation itself. Fighting the old patterns keeps you more stuck because you're adding resistance on top of natural discomfort.
Even enlightened masters spent decades in the between space. Yogananda taught small groups of 6 to 12 people in India for years. Knowing he was meant to reach millions but having no idea how or when. He eventually moved to America terrified with no work lined up. The romanticized stories erase their very human struggle through uncertainty. This perspective removes the layer of suffering we add by thinking something's wrong with us.
Stillness before questions multiplies their power. Five minutes of breathwork or meditation before journaling transforms the quality of insights you access. Setting up your mental state to surface what actually matters is incredibly high leverage. Every high performer Marc studies prioritizes some practice that quiets their mind before reflection.
Movement shakes loose stuck energy. Cardiovascular exercise followed by reflection creates breakthrough insights that meditation alone sometimes can't. When Marc woke up with project anxiety, he got on his spin bike holding one question: "What would be the best case scenario?" By the time he finished stretching the fear had transformed into clarity. The sequence is Movement > Question > Spaciousness > Insight.
Plant questions as seeds not demands. The most powerful practice is posing a question to your consciousness without forcing an answer. Then let it percolate. Your subconscious works like a supercomputer running background calculations. The answer surfaces spontaneously hours or days later while exercising, showering, or between sleep and waking.
The 90-second morning check-in changes everything. While coffee brews, ask yourself, "In one word, how do I feel?" or "Where is that coming from?"or "How do I want to show up today?" This micro-practice creates awareness that ripples through your entire day. When old patterns get triggered later you'll notice faster because you started by checking in with yourself.
Strategic timing matters as much as the question itself. Don't ask important questions at 2:30 PM when your mind is cluttered. Ask them first thing in the morning when clear or at day's end during review time. The same question asked in different mental states yields completely different quality of insight.
As uncomfortable as the between space is, it contains unique creative power. You're no longer constrained by your old identity but you haven't solidified into your new one yet. That means you have maximum flexibility to experiment and discover who you're actually becoming versus who you think you should become.
Most people try to rush through this phase because instability feels dangerous. But the instability is actually the freedom you've been seeking. You're finally loose enough to reshape yourself intentionally rather than being unconsciously shaped by circumstances.
The goal isn't to eliminate the tension between old and new selves, but rather to stop fighting that tension and start using it as information about what needs attention.
You're not stuck because you're doing it wrong. You're in the most creatively potent space available to humans where anything is still possible.
Keep asking good questions. Keep finding stillness. It's the transformation itself happening in real time.
Hope you enjoy this conversation!
- Scott
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Episode Transcript
Show Notes
00:00 - The Power of a Single Question
02:45 - Understanding the Socratic Method
05:59 - Finding Your One Big Thing
08:37 - The Role of Physical Activity in Mental Clarity
11:40 - Planting Seeds of Questions
14:49 - The Importance of Mindful Reflection
17:49 - Reclaiming Ancient Practices for Modern Minds
20:36 - Creating a One-Pager for Your Mind
24:22 - Building Self-Awareness and Course Corrections
24:51 - Exploring the Between Selves Concept
26:38 - Navigating Old and New Selves
28:57 - The Journey of Transformation
30:27 - Accepting the Transformational Space
31:44 - The Role of Community in Spiritual Growth
33:55 - Engaging with Ancient Teachers
37:25 - Insights from the Council of Elders
40:44 - Lessons from Yogananda and Other Gurus
43:03 - Living Through the Between Space
44:16 - Finding Guidance and Clarity